Jill: We are gathered in Nevada City, March 21st, 2001, for the Spring
Equinox channeling of Hilarion. The questions have been submitted via the
Internet as well as from those in attendance here tonight. For further
information on books, tapes, or channelings, contact Jon C. Fox, P.O. Box
2209, Nevada City, California 95959, or visit us on the Internet at hilarion.com
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Hilarion: Yes, greetings to all of you. Yes. This is that energy, being,
or vibration you call Hilarion. Before beginning with questions, looking
into various matters and other important issues, we ask you first to simply
welcome a beautiful emerald light, to imagine it pouring through you, touching
you, as if to give you a warming sensation at the core of your being--into
the bones, into the skin surface, but also as if to touch a deeper part
of you than is symbolized simply by the physical body. Recognize this emerald
light as forming a cylinder from infinitely upwards through you to center
of Earth. Let the light be approximately then filling this cylinder to
the width of approximately 100 feet diameter (that is about 33 meters).
As you imagine this light touching you and connecting to Earth, see that
it contains within it the idea of an invitation, a welcoming of your highest
self, your soul, your essence. See also that it has another aspect, the
center of Earth aspect, reminding you of the idea of making things practical,
realizable, an aspect of consciousness to come from deep within you and
somehow be made physical--reality, as you know it--manifested by your consciousness.
It is in this springtime that the full impact of the shift from form
into matter and from matter into form becomes clearer for so many. It is
the time of new beginnings, the time of new ideas, a breaking forth into
the greenness of spring symbolizing this powerful new energy. It is a time
in which the baby animals are in periods of gestation, conception, or being
born; a time in which they are coming with new eyes, new understanding,
new awareness to the Earth, is a powerful symbol for all to seek the answers
to their questions with new eyes, with a new way of seeing, with the understanding
of the wisdom of a small child rather than the preconceived ideas of an
adult or those aspects that have in some ways blocked you from understanding.
Therefore what we mention tonight is about questions. The whole idea
of a question and its answer we have often stated in the past, in order
to fully understand an answer and you recognize that a question and its
answer are created together, then you must let go of the question. This
is difficult at times because one may obsess about it or hold on to the
question, but really another way of looking at this--these are all different
aspects of the combination of different universal laws, specifically the
understanding of Reflection and Manifestation. It is the idea that the
way in which you work through these will often be as symbolized in a question
and its answer but in itself at its essence it is about you transforming,
about you becoming a different person. So really in a practical sense,
it is a matter of asking the right question in order to find the right
answer.
This is sometimes much harder than it seems, so usually when a question
begins to show up in your life, something you don't understand, something
you want to know more about, holding the question, refining it, playing
with it, is helpful. Usually as you ask the question you can play with
different answers, particularly if the answers seem to fall into certain
categories, certain ways of receiving them, certain energies. Well then,
as you work with different ones you will then have responses. In many cases
a deep response in you as if to say "No, that is not the answer that I
am really looking for. " In other words, the response to that which might
be seen as a personal answer teaches you that the answer inside of you
must be in more than your head--it must also be in your heart.
As you begin to work with these responses and understand this, the questions
changes. It mutates, it shifts into many different aspects of reflection
of your life. It is then the ability within your being to manifest both
of these together, the question and its answer, and gradually it allows
you to get beyond the paradox--because a question and its answer are inherently
separated. Therefore, at the place by which they are one, there is a oneness
in your being.
You have often answered questions only to find that they lead you to
other questions. You have often dealt with answers in different ways and
found them not really satisfying because they do lead you into other directions.
But once in a while, there is that sense of rightness, of things falling
into place. It is as if the paradox is resolved. The two aspects of separation
no longer are separated. The question and its answer in that sense, again
speaking the language of the heart, the question and its answer fall in
love. They care for each other, they dance together, they enjoy each other.
In this way the oneness is that which gives you a new expression, a new
understanding.
Yes, this in itself may lead to more questions, as inevitably your own
growth leads to more separations within your own being. That is the path
that people take--they separate the consciousness that is to come into
a physical body from the consciousness that manifests in the soul. They
separate parts of themselves in different ways, to experiment, to learn,
to grow. Always, however, along such a pathway, there is a rejoining. The
rejoining can be circuitous and complex and take many lifetimes, or it
can be simple and easy when you welcome it. Understanding, however, that
you move in these directions as a larger viewpoint can let you be a little
more patient as you move through these different aspects of questions and
their answers.
What is the question that the animals ask in the time of the vernal
equinox? What is the energy that they are seeking to know? This is a powerful
and beautiful question of essence itself, and contemplating this and tuning
into it in this beautiful time of seasonal change is a powerful meditation
in itself. It is a question about existence--why am I here? What is the
nature of this world? All the way to the very simplest of things--what
is that sound? What is that smell? What is that energy?
When you go out into the world and you see the plants and animals, you
see these energies blooming in profusion in the springtime, you will be
stimulated to ask this question too. You can fall into various answers
about this, such as understanding a plant or an animal by its Latin name
or its relationship to the environment or your past experience with it.
But if you ask it from the point of view of the animal, of the plant, of
the energy itself, what you may experience is a little different, an energy
that welcomes the spring, the beauty, the uplifting energy of the Earth
herself, the combination of sun and water and earth and the way in which
all of these in their own ways come forth.
Yes, there are many ways in which all of these interact, but there is
a higher energy, the Air energy, governing all of it because it connects
all of this. In some ways air has been likened to ether, an everfine substance
connecting all energies, all consciousness, all beings. As you understand
this interconnectivity, you then have a greater glimpse as to the nature
of your own ability to be here in the world.
In science, as many things are looked at and discovered to understand
their nature, it is their interaction with other things about which some
aspect is known, appreciated on some consistent level, etc., that data
can be gathered. Thus, scientists study light not by looking at light itself,
always however by looking at light's reaction. In its initial reaction
it is of course on the human eye, the way in which light falling on the
eye has certain characteristics. But the characteristics of color, of intensity,
and so on are simply the responses of the eye and the brain to that
which is the light itself. These responses are unique to the individual,
and of course an animal or a plant will have different responses when light
falls upon it.
It is from all of this that study can be made out of more consistent
areas of interest in order to determine more and more about light. And
so from this eventually quantum physics has derived that light has essentially
two important natures, and these natures co-exist. Is this not a symbol
about the nature of so many things in your world, that these two aspects,
the separateness symbolized by the particle existence, the togetherness
or interconnectivity symbolized by the wave nature, are always present
in all things, always working in all aspects of being? Because indeed at
its core you are light.
There are many questions about ascension, about becoming light, about
awakening this, yet it is as if in asking the question one would recognize
that one is not light, somehow not allowing oneself to ascend and
so on. Where this has been a conscious choice on your part, you
will then be able to make a
conscious choice in another direction
if you wish. But most individuals instead respond to such energies as if
they are the victim. They feel separated from a higher part of their being,
and so they are doing everything possible to get back to it, including
getting lots of psychic healings from others who will assist them in becoming
ascended, whereas they are light. They have that highest aspect
deep within their being. It is a matter of letting go of anything that
says that you are not this that can allow you to know it that much
better. Again, asking the right question reveals the right answer not about,
then, achieving ascension but
remembering ascension, not
about being something you are not, but about acknowledging that which you
are.
In recognizing this, one can examine and work with all kinds of ways
of answering questions, but one must always recognize that to some extent
any answer will be incomplete until there is some aspect of you, some part
of your nature that is a part of this combining. It is back to the way
of nature aspect that must always be brought in, and so much in your society
that emphasizes the particle or separate nature that allows over and over
the misconceptions about how things work in the world. So you have currently
a great powerful popular example in the press, in what is going on throughout
your world with this issue of hoof or foot-and-mouth disease. This is a
difficult issue to understand and work with because there are so many forces
at work. Separating them and understanding them is of some value and it
will assist you with your mind, but from the animals' point of view it
is a relatively simple matter. Here again, though, in studying the answer
to the question you cannot really understand the nature of a disease on
its own. It must be seen in the larger context, its interactivity. And
so asking about purpose when it comes to living things, animate beings,
interactive consciousnesses is a sort of open-ended question that gives
you all kinds of answers, and the purpose of bacteria, of virus, of parasites,
of various fungi, plants, animals, working through all of these questions
of purpose reveals a lot of information.
Specifically, one will always notice a relationship between different
viruses and bacteria. Rife himself in the 30's discovered by the use of
a very powerful microscope how each bacteria has within it a virus, and
that that virus can as a result of action upon the bacteria become in itself
virulent while the bacteria dies away. And under the correct conditions,
that very virus can then give birth to the bacteria. Their purpose, however,
was not studied by this eminent scientist. Yet in nature it is so obvious
that these organisms are there to clean up, to change the environment,
to break down substances so that life at a higher vibrational level, that
of sentient beings, that of plants, that of people, that of animals, will
then be able to grow.
[Note: More about the scientific work of Royal R. Rife is in Barry
Lynes book,
The Cancer Cure That Worked.]
In the forest, as the various aspects of the forest break apart, the
bacteria, the parasites, the viruses break down plant material into their
component building blocks so that they may be utilized to build soil, to
enhance, to strengthen. Specifically, then, looking at the interactions,
one would ask the obvious question, that which is not being asked by most
individuals, and that has to do with how foot-and-mouth disease, how these
aspects of difficulty as seen in the larger context, then reflect to this
interaction. That is then, what good is it? What is its purpose?
You will then understand that the virus itself is connected to the bacteria.
The bacterium involved is streptococcus. This has the capacity to
clear various congestive materials. In a human being it is typically associated
with the throat center. Similarly in animals to some extent. This clearing
is necessary when there is excessive toxic material. Some of the materials
that are most toxic would specifically include mercury, aluminum, and various
overheated fats and oils.
[Note: More about fats and oils and our deep need for them in our healing
is in Aajonus Vonderplanitz' revolutionary
book,
We Want To Live.]
Mercury has been introduced into the animal population in very high
levels over the last few years by increasing use of vaccinations. In addition,
various antibiotics utilizing molds and other materials have introduced
small quantities of mercury. Aluminum has been added to the atmosphere
in large amounts by the use of chemtrails, sometimes called contrails,
with a deliberate effort to reflect some of the difficulties of excessive
sunlight reaching the Earth's surface. Reducing global warming has indeed
occurred as a result of these large scale programs, but unfortunately a
poisoning by means of aluminum of the water, of the air itself, of the
soil, of many other aspects of plant and animal physiology has also occurred.
So it is only natural then that some disease outbreaks that will clear
this will be employed by nature. If foot-and-mouth disease, if this moves
properly through the animal, it will indeed create the cleansing and clearing.
If allowed to run its course, and if the animal is then taken into a more
helpful diet, meaning specifically soil high in minerals, low in toxic
materials, used to provide the grasses upon which the ruminants graze,
then within a relatively short time, typically a matter of two to three
months, the animal will move through this disease and will come out on
the other side of it stronger and healthier.
In many cases, however, this is not possible, because instead what happens
is a bacterial infection similar to streptococcus or a related one
will show up. Under such circumstances, the typical vet will vaccinate
or utilize various antibiotics depending on the age of the animal. The
young ones get vaccinated and the older ones get their antibiotics. This,
then, creates a vicious cycle whereby the bacteria has to work that much
harder. It reemploys the virus and other viruses become involved, and the
animal gets sicker. Whereas organically raised animals, those that co-exist
with nature, those that are able to properly utilize and work with the
environment, and when they are grown under conditions of greater peace,
attunement to the Earth, the constant recycling and working with the Earth
specifically for pasture to be then highly mineralized, these animals will
actually go beyond health to a much greater more healthful place.
Unfortunately, science does not recognize this simple question. It isn't
asking the right question--in this case, what is the purpose of a virus?
What is the purpose of bacteria? How does it work in animals, people, and
so on. A simple question, yet that which is being ignored. And so at its
core, then, as one is able to contemplate and work with this energy, the
results make sense. If, however, one is to avoid having this virus move
through the various ruminant populations, then the obvious choice of exterminating
the animals is the one being taken, and that which will prevent it to some
extent, yet only staves off the inevitable though, as some other way of
cleansing or clearing out excessive use generation to generation of toxic
materials, various ways of polluting the air and the water, etc., continue
with animals, plants, people, and so on. It is seeing the larger perspective
and the way in which bacteria and viruses only play a small part in this
that gives one the bigger answers.
Now, as an animal then is able to develop sufficient immunity to this
difficulty, then it is no longer a problem of a large nature. But there
has been a clear decision on the part of those involved to avoid this,
to instead prevent the spread of the disease in any way possible, even
at great cost, and one would have to ask then, why? What is in it for those
involved? You obviously then recognize all of the aspects of economics
falling into play here, where the price can go up of the animals, where
those in positions to prevent significant numbers of their animals from
catching this contagion will then profit from it, and various animals already
slaughtered, kept in storage, etc., will be able to be sold at higher prices.
And on and on it goes. It is always simply by a matter of the smallest
understanding that these silly things go on. Because after all, where does
this set those individuals further down the road? Where does it assist
when indeed their supply runs out? They are simple questions that
can be asked over and over when looking at agriculture, but they are often
the questions that are not asked. Looking at the long term good versus
the short term profit.
Understanding all of this, however, has another overlay, and looking
into this from the world's point of view, there is another question that
has already been asked. How good is the fear-based issue associated with
bacteria and viruses as we have implanted it into the consciousness of
the planet? The people asking this question are beings quite high up on
the "food chain"--specifically those working with bringing various aspects
of fear-based propaganda, fear-based energies to people all over your planet.
Ultimately, yes, this can be used to control the population. It can be
used to reduce knowledge, compassion, understanding. It can be used to
cause people to separate from each other. It can be used in ways that you
cannot fathom, indeed, how individuals would want such separation
until you ask this other question, why? What is the purpose? For
these individuals, it is to supplement their own identity as the kinds
of people who exert power and control over others. That is the kind of
person that they need to be.
It is such individuals who have great wealth, and want more; who have
a lot of power and responsibility and somehow want more. It doesn't make
a lot of sense when you look at it logically, rationally, but emotionally
such beings indeed have important aspects that they are in perfect resonance
with, with you, with the possibility within you of wanting more power,
more energy, more of different things in the world. Yes, it is tying into
the greed part of all beings, and when you recognize that that is a part
of your being--perhaps it is a small one, perhaps it is not the part that
you have allowed very much say in your world as opposed to these individuals,
but at least you acknowledge that it is present--you will understand a
little more of the why of this issue.
And so such individuals will benefit greatly by spreading fear of disease
on your planet, fear of bacteria, and fear of viruses. This will enable
them to sell drugs, as most of these individuals make tremendous profits
by selling various substances of all kinds. Indeed, some of these aspects
have worked out very well for them. For instance, notice the scarcity of
peer-review for vaccines that has already taken place on your planet--these
are widely accepted without any double-blind studies, without any peer-reviewed
studies, without any scientific data to back up why injecting people with
mercury and various dead bacteria is good for them.
Understanding this principle has drawn into question for those at higher
levels how much power is being exerted here. Why? Because of the issue
of genetically-engineered foods. These products, recently introduced, have
met with tremendous resistance in Europe, and some resistance in the United
States. Indeed these difficulties have made those individuals at places
higher up recognize they are going too far too fast with such a program
to introduce various unnatural components into the world as seemingly the
savior, as seemingly the highest benefit to humankind.
And so this was a testing of the waters. Individuals have expressed
fear of Mad Cow disease or bovine encephalitis or various other difficult
substances and diseases. So could this then be continued by something around
which all
people who have had any exposure to various forms of agriculture
have at least one past life affiliation or connection? Because, after all,
great outbreaks of hoof-and-mouth disease and other related disease have
swept across this planet, and many of you have experienced this firsthand
in various capacities in your past lives. And so indeed then, this is the
new aspect, what makes it different from the introduction of Mad Cow disease,
because this is an old disease, one that has been with humanity for a long
time.
And so the real issue for those involved at a spiritual level is to
find the right questions to ask, to go deeper in the understanding of this,
to be able to work out the issues for oneself without necessarily believing
that the only solution to this is the wholesale slaughtering of thousands
or even conceivably into the millions of animals across your planet. Indeed
what do the animals think of this? The overall thoughtform, the beings
themselves, would like to continue in the world. Most of them would survive
the difficulties associated with the virus, and they would be stronger
as a result coming out the other side of it. This is what
they would
want, and it is inevitable that it is due to factors outside the contagion
theory that the tendency here will continue, that then the animals themselves
are willing to grow, to take a chance on this. But they are not interested
in being destroyed as a result. They learn nothing from this. They are
not contributing to anyone, because in most cases that which happens to
the carcass--it is simply burned. It is destroyed. It is not allowed even
to be as food or nourishment for anyone.
Therefore, it is here again in this as an example of asking the deeper
question in order to contact the deeper answer. Yet by comparison to the
issues which face you, the way in which coming into this world you have
chosen various aspects of illusion, separation, relationship, working things
out in the world and so on, the issue of diseases, animals, diet, all of
these things are quite simple by comparison. But before we attempt those
bigger issues, let us go to this issue of diet.
There are those on your planet who are suggesting that a breatharian
lifestyle, one which does not require food, is possible--taking energy,
nourishment, directly from light itself. We have addressed this extensively
in the past, and it is indeed quite possible. And at the same time we have
recommended various dietary patterns for people that are very healing,
helpful, but are not a matter of attempting to get their nourishment directly
from light. Now there are different ways in order to answer the question.
One can understand it in different ways. But we would always take you back
to a deeper issue. It has to do with individuality, the nature of your
own being, your own progress through various lifetimes. This has formed
primarily two paths. One is genetic, that which works with the energies
of your ancestors at a physical level. It is related to your own DNA, to
what your parents ate, and their parents, as Pottenger's cats experiments
detail. The utilization of specific foods for three successive generations
takes its toll on that third generation in ways that relate very much to
what the previous generations consumed. There are many reasons for this
having to do specifically with the depletion of enzymes in the physical
bodies of each of the different beings through the generations. But what
is more important to understand is that it can be corrected. If it is not,
however, one will usually, in working with other diets that don't supply
sufficient nourishment, sufficient enzymes, sufficient fats, one will suffer.
The suffering can be alleviated by increasing the energy, but most individuals
will not be able to work with such energy in its direct fashion for healing
sufficiently. This is obvious when you look at it in a slightly different
way. We have often suggested in the past that answering questions that
have to do with how things turn out in the world--after all what you are
looking for here is what diet is most appropriate for your being--that
answering this question comes sometimes by the old adage "By their fruits
so shall ye known them." And so then as you look at those who have been
involved in these diets, how do they look? What is their health? What is
their level of energy? What is their level of strength? If it is a spiritual
aspect you are looking for, engage them in a spiritual meditation, or work
with them on a level that goes beyond the mere mundane. Note how it feels.
But do they have what it takes to remain in the physical body, to use that
body for a time, to be able to understand it and learn its lessons? After
all, you have bodies, and it is not by ignoring them that you are
going to learn from them.
When we ask this question and look at those involved, it is a very easy
matter to recognize that those whose health is suffering are perhaps then
personifying dietary concepts that are not going to be helpful. Those whose
physical body improves, consciousness, ability to concentrate, and ultimately
therefore their meditations improve, perhaps that is the one to be followed.
Individuals must hold such a cold hard light to the energies that they
perceive if the answers they seek are to be simple and practical at the
level of "What do I eat or not eat now?" They are simple practical questions
but they must be applied.
When understanding this, you can go deeper into the deeper issue as
to what is spirituality? Many would recognize that spirituality is simply
anything that is not business, and there are many people that really believe
that. That is, when they look into the world at all of the things they
are doing they say that this and that and the other thing has to do with
making money, with survival, with business interrelationships. And so therefore
to them, when they begin to look into anything else, it is indeed spiritual.
And so for such individuals, that is certainly a good start at it. But
what it really relates to is the essence of your being. You are a spirit.
You are a being that is consciousness in its pure vibrational form. It
has nothing to do with bodies. It is not even found in the higher subtle
bodies. It is indeed a point of light and beyond that. It is without dimension.
It is a place of pure form. As the form is then brought into matter, various
aspects of it specifically tailored to reflect the components of the form
are then taken on. This is the matter of spiritual understanding, where
you recognize how those reflections of the essence of your being are then
manifested in the world. Therefore, as a result, you can make various spiritual
attunements, work with spiritual energy, understand spiritual interrelationships,
etc. etc., always coming back to the nature of you, your spirit, your energy,
who you are at this core.
Now asking such a question of course takes you way out of individuality
because of that aspect of non-dimensionality, the aspect beyond the restrictions
of dimension. You are God. You are connected on all levels with
all beings. You are energy on many levels. Answers don't come in the three-dimensional
world defined by the English language at a purely spiritual level in a
way that will be satisfactory to you. They will only be reflections of
the aspects, symbolically characterized as spirit moves into matter. Therefore,
as you begin to ask these questions about diet--what is a spiritual diet?--you
must then again ask as to the purpose. What is the purpose of having a
body? The whole idea is to experience certain things that are more difficult
to experience as pure spirit. And what are those things? They are certainly
beautifully personified by the aspect of spring: enjoying the beauty around
you, in nature; feeling, sensing, smelling, being a part of these things.
You have many wonderful kingdoms that surround you of very intelligent
powerful beings such as the dolphins to remind you of this. Their sensuality,
sexuality, their ability to communicate, many things indicating that their
own capacities for cognition, telepathy, and other aspects go way beyond
that of people. And yet they are here too, in bodies, and they take full
advantage of the sensual side of this to feel, to touch, to know each other.
So it is also that it is no accident that you have so many nerves in
your own physical body deliberately created in such a way to bring you
pleasure, to bring you pain, to bring you sensation of the physical world.
Hence it is also that all exercises, all aspects of meditation, all ability
to increase consciousness is so much enhanced over and over when you take
advantage of the kinesthetic aspect, some aspect that brings in this sense
or quality of feeling, of touching, of sensation, not because it is inherently
better but because you're in a body. And your body has so many nerves,
and all of the nerves interacting in so many different ways with your brain
(which is indeed all of the nerves) always symbolic of interconnectivity,
of awareness of your surroundings, of your environment.
And so then if a diet is that which sustains and strengthens the body,
enables enhanced communication, enhanced ability to know all aspects of
the physical body, the sensual side, the visual side, the auditory side,
and of course taste and smell, well then, is that perhaps a diet that would
be more spiritual? Only you can answer this question for yourself, but
again--the purpose. What is the purpose of eating well, of sustaining and
helping the body? Perhaps it is so that the body can remain here in a place
free of disease and difficulty, a place of greater health? That would be
more at neutral. Yet some of the new dietary principles are showing that
after a period of cleansing and clearing, the potential for the body is
one of indeed enhanced attunement, enhanced sensuality, enhanced
vision, enhanced hearing, that which is perhaps even more than
you had when you were a child.
Understanding and working with this principle leads you inevitably back
to the place where once the healing is sufficient, once the dietary transgressions
have been corrected--from past generations, from various insults to the
body by eating those things that are not natural or appropriate, by using
those food substances that are damaging, by contaminations from pollution
and so on--then the next level, moving towards lighter and lighter, foods
that personify and work with light, working with light directly. At such
a level, it only makes sense. But the difference is one does not have to
force it--it comes naturally and easily. And while it is occurring, the
health and strength of the body increases. It does not decrease.
Recognizing this will show you much about this. One question that could
be asked is, on average then, how many individuals are ready for such?
And we see very few in the world, very few whose bodies will actually move
to this place of greater youthening, greater strength, greater energy,
greater enhancement of the senses as then such a diet towards less and
less food and more and more light is taken.
This does not mean it is the only path. Of course one can move directly
into these places of light with the body suffering as a result, but achieve
greater attunement, understanding, awareness and other energies. There
isn't anything wrong with that, of course, and there are many who must
choose such a path because they are not so interested in learning the lesson
that the body has for them in the world. But for most people, you have
chosen this path, this three-dimensional world, so you can interact in
bodies, which brings us to the next question, about love.
How people may know this, how they may work with it, and how do they
know when it is time to call it quits, to say that this relationship is
not working out. It is a very difficult question to answer because from
the guides' point of view, under most circumstances you are drawn to a
person and you work with that individual one way or another over and over.
If you ask the right question, you get a more interesting answer, not then
looking to the future, but first of all looking to the past. How many times
have I worked on this issue, the issue of relationship with this person?
Sometimes if you can open to your answer in a clear-headed way, an answer
will pop in and you will be surprised when it comes in along the line of
"23 lifetimes" or in terms of actual years together "527 years we have
been working on this one."
When you start looking from such a point of view, you have perhaps the
perspective that the choosing to go along together or break up within the
next month, the next year, the next decade, in such a large context means
very little, and why would you have chosen to work it out with this person
over and over again unless there was something of value there? And then
you begin to ask the right question, not about knowing whether it is time
to change or not, but to know what it is you came here to do, what is the
purpose of this relationship, what it is that you are trying to work out
together, why it is you are then choosing each other, and how then to bring
that in, whatever it is you are choosing, right now. In other words,
recognizing that the 527 years has been but a preamble. Now let's get to
the main course. Now let's do what we came here to do.
Once you start asking such a question, you may be shocked to discover
what happens, as if the guides and helpers all line up in order to bring
very powerfully and quickly into form all of those energies that you are
here to work out, and they may not be something that you're very interested
in. They may be something to do with helping others in the world, or bringing
something of your combined energy together, or allowing something of far
greater importance than you have ever suspected or wondered about before.
The possibilities are endless, but go cautiously into such an issue, remembering
that the most difficult thing about praying for what you want is that sometimes
you get it.
So it is also in answering the question as to meaningful work. What is the appropriate way to find right livelihood? You must ask these deeper questions before you approach this issue if you are to go beyond the trap of working out these issues in the world over and over and over. Here again looking into the past: "What have I done in my past lives? Yes, indeed, I have been in social work in various contexts for a long, long time. I have counseled altogether 5,227 individuals about their marriages, about their enterprises, about their children." When will you ever tire of it? Perhaps deeper in your heart you are recognizing the deeper question then--what have I come here to know about right livelihood? What have I come here to know about the doingness as it relates to the nature of my being? After all, you don't take it with you. That is, the money that you earn from this world, though it may seem on the surface to be the important issue, since you are going to use it to pay the rent, or buy food for your pets, or do things in the world, still this energy relates to a much higher capacity of what you do take with you. Because if those actions of right livelihood, of working in the world, have brought you more enlightenment or more understanding, more interaction from others, bringing you to a new understanding about yourself, perhaps you have gained some true value from this.
Therefore, the deeper question must always be asked, and when you hold
that question, again, sometimes you may be confounded by the answer as
suddenly people start showing up in your life offering you jobs to do things
that you didn't think you were interested at all in doing. Only now because
you have asked the question and you have remembered our words, you decide
not to say no immediately, but instead to say, "Well, let me come over
and meet some of the people I'll be working with" only to be astounded
to find that these are your soul mates, these are your kin, the beings
that you have come here to work out these issues with, the ones that you
have counseled in the past and have counseled you, the ones you are here
to finally come to the place of deeper understanding with.
There isn't too much time left on this world for this sort of thing,
because science is advancing at a rather rapid rate towards the capacity
to eliminate money on your planet. This is happening by many different
means, and you have many symbols of this right now where energy shortages
are occurring on your planet while at the same time the development of
new energy technologies--so-called free energy techniques--are on the way,
and free matter is right behind. After all, energy and matter are but manifestations
of the same thing. Einstein's great discovery and how it is taught in every
grade school, how e=mc2, that matter and energy are interchangeable. It
becomes obvious then that with new energy techniques, new matter techniques
are right behind.
But understanding the deeper symbolism of this, you chose it. You chose
the aspect of work in the world. Why? You chose certain barriers to this,
some talents, some capabilities. Why? Perhaps as a general sort of push
in one direction for you to find certain ways of employment because in
this way you will be more likely to interact with those individuals that
you came here to interact with, to know, to understand, to learn from.
"What, Hilarion? You mean not to get rich?" Well, you know, it is true
that there are a few people on your planet for whom getting rich is the
main idea of doing things in the world, but very, very few. Because, again,
you don't take it with you. Such individuals must also have deep within
them a powerful pure philanthropic side in order for this to be the primary
reason that they have come here in the world, so that that money that they
get rich with they will also be able to let go of. And you have some examples
of this in your world. Certain ones currently in incarnation, of course,
whom you may think of, and others for whom various prizes are named, such
as the Pulitzer prize and the Nobel prize and others.
As you understand about these issues, you will gradually reawaken different
components of your being into a place of greater peace about the making
of the money. After all, too much money might be a bit of a distraction.
After all, if you made enough money to retire, you would no longer interact
with others. So again here, the real key is in finding your team, in finding
those you will interact with and so on.
Now of course there are some individuals who are destined to work alone.
That which they are to manifest in the world is that which will only come
by solitude, by their working on these issues by themselves. But here again,
that is not the energy for this time for most people. Most individuals
are here to learn, to interact with others, and to grow as a result. And
so the deeper question can always pop up: How do you know? And so we can
answer this by a suggested meditation. How do you know what is the time
to break up a relationship? How do you know what is the right job? How
do you know what to eat for breakfast this morning? All of these simple
questions and complex ones.
But rather than suggest the meditation, we will simply invite you to
engage in this meditation. So for a moment, relax. Recognize a powerful
clearing energy all around you. Imagine a vibration moving through you,
up and down very rapidly; a vibration associated with a very positive loving
time. Any aspect to raise your vibration to feel clearer, more happy, is
a very good place to begin. Then imagine a mirror in front of you. See
yourself in the mirror. See your being in its fullness, the whole body.
Then see yourself without clothes on. See yourself younger. See yourself
with different clothes than you would ever normally wear. See yourself
older. Imagine that you have put on a great deal of weight. Imagine that
you have lost a lot of weight. See the body change in all of these different
ways.
Gradually, as you move through these different stages, it will stabilize.
If it does not immediately, then allow it to stabilize gently on its own.
Then allow the idea that that image, smiling at you, seeing you from the
other side of the mirror, now becomes interested in other activities. Turning
away from you, he or she steps outside of the mirror, right through the
mirror into the world. You sit there just as you are, breathing, relaxed,
noticing. And then you see that second image move out of the mirror and
try on some different things. If this is a job that you are looking at,
well then, the second image goes off and tries that, meeting people perhaps,
doing things in the world, answering ads, going on interviews, learning
about different things--whatever way in which you wish to see him or her
doing these things. Notice that as he or she is involved in this, you have
responses in your body. Sometimes there is a sense of coldness, very slight
perhaps in the pit of your stomach or in your feet; sometimes a sense of
pressure or compression, perhaps in your neck or your shoulders. Other
times there may be a sense of warmth, tingling, a sort of expansion or
lightness. Just notice.
Similarly, you could allow the second image to try on different relationships,
an old relationship or to find a new one. But as the second image is playing
in these areas, again, you are noticing what is happening in your physical
body.
Now, imagine that this ends. The second image returns to the mirror.
Perhaps you could even imagine that you and the second image are merging
so that there is no leftover energy, and the mirror naturally dissipates
and disappears. Then write down your experience. If there was a sense of
this expansion, lightness, warmth, etc. in the time of the image doing
certain things, those are the things to be pursuing now. If there is compression
or contraction or coldness, that is perhaps then the No, that is the thing
for the image to tell you about as not to be done now. Simple meditation,
simple exercise, and it can be applied in so many ways. The key is non-attachment,
and it is a way that gives you different answers. They are not logical
answers. You have often exhausted all the logical routes in order to come
to an answer of this nature.
There are so many questions for tonight, but we would like to take a
brief pause here and invite another to speak. Would that be alright?
Jill: Yeah.
Osho: It is with a sense of peace that I am to be in your heart. There
is a flowing in your heart. It is symbolized by the blood as it moves through
your heart. But there is another side to this. It is a place in your heart
that knows how to love others, has always known this, will never forget
it. It is not born as much of your body, of the physical heart, as it is
of the part of you that has always loved. Some may ask about forgetting.
Where does the love come from? How may I know it? In the asking is the
answer. Those who would ask this are in a place of forgetting the love
of themselves--not the love of another, not the love for another, but the
love as if the ocean currents of life itself. There is not a forgetting
or a remembering in the ocean currents of life itself. In this way it is
the energy of being. It is the flow. It is the way.
In bodies in the world, there are so many symbols, so many distractions.
You cannot feel all of them at once. So you select, and you forget those
you have not selected. A habit pattern develops. But it does not mean that
those others disappear. They are there waiting to be felt, to be discovered.
The question is about the balance of man and woman, male and female, inner
and outer, freedom and responsibility. But those are the trappings of existence.
They are not the nature of your soul. They are not the nature of your life.
They are only the nature of the manifestation of this as you have created
it.
When I was alive last in the world, I had the body of a man. There were
many who listened to my words, many who dared to follow my suggestions
for an experiment, for seeing and feeling in new ways. This was a beautiful
thing, and it has created an energy that goes on and on. But in answering
the question as to the balance of male and female, of the understanding
of the balance of freedom and responsibility, of inner and outer--that
is forgotten. The experiment was to know that those things are but the
trappings, the symbols of being in a body. That in the essence, there is
no gender. In the essence there is only light. In the essence there is
only love.
If you choose to restrict that love, celebrate your restriction. If
you choose to feel the sadness before you would know that you deserve the
love, see that this is the choice you have made and celebrate your sadness.
If you do not do this, then your revelation and your understanding, which
eventually will be yours, in this life or the next or the next, that revelation
will be hollow. But if it is a revelation that brings in also joy, a sense
that this is perfect as you created it, as you welcomed it, as you wanted
it in your dance with others, then you will know why you chose it. You
did not choose it to learn, because you already knew. You chose
it for the joy. You chose it for the experience of the dance.
Remembering this can help you to answer these questions--that inside
every one of you is a body of a man or a woman, even though the body you
have chosen may be male or female. And so these parts of your being are
there to be discovered, to be enjoyed, but also to be sensed, to be celebrated.
That is how you find the answer to such a question about existence. Not
by the mind, but by the heart in its dance.
Hilarion: Yes. Hilarion here again. We thank you, Osho, for your assistance
and willingness to work with the body appropriately. It is always a difficult
matter to make these bridges, yet it is hoped that those who would appreciate
the thoughts and sometimes provocative ideas that this being was able to
present when he was alive will also find that some component of their being
re-recognizes that that is a part of their being too, a willingness to
strike off in new directions, to do things perhaps are challenging or not
easily done before. We will pause briefly and then we would like perhaps
to address some of the other questions rapidly.
[Drinks water] Yes. Hilarion here again. More questions?
Jill: Hilarion, what is the highest and best probable reality possible
for us in the 2012-2013 time frame?
Hilarion: There are many possibilities. And it is a good question because
in the way in which you are magnetizing and working with the being that
you will be in this time period, so then do you open the bridging and the
energy for it to come to pass. This is a time in which it is conceivable
that many of the actions that have been previously limited by matter will
be released. Thus, you could imagine some of the powerful and beautiful
images projected by Star Trek to be of value to you: the discovery of space
travel, the ability of the Replicator to reproduce any matter as would
need be, the capacity to produce large amounts of energy in a non-polluting
fashion, and the willingness of people of all races and all creeds to cooperate
together, to find a way to balance energies. Such is an important possibility
ahead for many, and it was indeed designed into the Star Trek mythology
for many to recognize this as a more concrete reality.
Another important image to recognize from that time period into humanity
is the whole idea of choice, that choice would be made more upon important
aspects of intercommunication, of love, of caring, rather than the economic
motive, rather than survival. Understanding that those choices must reflect
back to the individual gives you a clue as to what the bridge is that is
actually being created. What is your choice? What is the energy
you want to manifest? How would that which is highest and best in
your being be best and most lovingly
shared with other beings? Not
an easy question to answer, but it comes back to joy, to an experience
of love, to something personally uplifting and helpful in your own being,
from which you can then realize and make such choices. Is this sufficient?
Jill: Yes. Does the radio frequency radiation from cellular phones cause
or contribute to brain tumors?
Hilarion: It does to some extent. It is not an easy issue to create
because the whole idea of interacting at high vibrational frequencies with
the human brain does naturally create various difficulties having to do
with the essence of the observer and the nature of the experiment itself.
This is why culture studies and cell studies will repeatedly be inconclusive
when working with high frequencies.
The DNA itself is in a state of continuous motion. It is, after all,
in a wound spring, and the oscillations are relating very specifically
to life functions and the ability of DNA to transmit information. This
transmitting capability is particularly strong in the brain, and therefore
it can be influenced by various frequencies. When those frequencies are
close to the brain, there can be at times the development of a vortex.
This vortex is nonphysical--it is an etheric one--but it is that which
presages physical difficulties. If this is coordinated with impure diet,
particularly accumulation of fats which have been heated over 104ûF
(that is 40ûC) at any time during their existence, these will tend
to accumulate in such vortices. At the physical level, this will cause
stroke, cancer, various other physical difficulties possible, always leading
to the body's ability to somehow correct this if proper diet is taken.
But other assaults on the body are damaging and that which cause difficulty,
so it is in the coordination for the average individual of the additional
use of high frequencies near the brain, that difficulty likely ensues.
So for the average person on the average diet, yes, this is an additional
assault and does create more difficulty.
This is particularly compounded as aluminum is more increasingly distributed
throughout the environment and into the air. Mercury from injections of
various substances, particularly vaccines, make the whole issue that much
more difficult. The result is more metal in the brain which responds to
electromagnetic and magnetic vibrations from the speaker, from the electronics
involved. These can naturally accumulate--various repetitive problems of
an electrical current nature. After all, magnetic fields moving in various
conductive materials compounds the problem and moves those currents in
different ways. The brain itself made up of a network of nerves must work
with that electrical current somehow, and this can be transmitted and released
from the brain. But in many cases with excessive metals contaminating the
brain, this is difficult. So you see that it is a complex matter, but generally
other means of communication are recommended. It is possible to use cell
phones for short periods of time when necessary only and not then bring
on all of these difficulties. But obviously some balanced use is in order.
Does this answer the question?
Jill: Yes. What is the likelihood of contact through radiotelescopes
such as SETI in the near future?
Hilarion: It is 100%. Contact has already been made. Various beings
have transmitted energies, and on many levels some of the individuals involved
have suppressed this information. This is very important because the whole
program underway--that which we have mentioned a little bit of with regards
to the economic domination of your planet by a few individuals--this has
not been completed yet, and the ability to work with another civilization,
to share information of various higher technologies and other aspects would
indeed stop such plans from unfolding in the ways that those involved wish
them to be.
As long as these programs are centralized, as long as only a few have
access to the important information at the critical times, then such suppression
can continue. It will not last forever though, of course, as various beings
will utilize more and more sophisticated, simpler, less costly technology,
particularly reaching into higher and higher frequency ranges, to be able
to establish their own small-scale receiving stations and be able to receive
such information and contact directly.
In terms of this being outwardly seen, this appears as if to be continually
repressed by many beings. But we see that the whole idea of this bursting
forth somewhere about 2005 is a pretty good probability, that other people
will recognize this and acknowledge the presence of extra terrestrials
wishing to establish positive helpful communications with people, and that
this would be of benefit to many. An interesting experiment has already
begun in Germany by a Dr. Meyl in working with faster than light communication,
and such will be available more and more and is already that which is available
on the Internet and can be understood by others who wish to examine and
work with these forms of higher communication. Further question?
Jill: Does sunspot activity influence Earth events such as declines
in the stock market? Is it possible that man's misqualification of energy
is the cause of sunspots?
Hilarion: No to the first question and yes to the second. That indeed
sunspot activity is influencing many events on the other, but not directly
such events as the stock market or other matters, but rather the whole
idea of the sunspot activity is to increase energy, to bring new ideas
and possibilities, to open all kinds of energies for people to absorb and
work with. This is a natural reaction at times to levels of higher consciousness
that interfere in the communication between the Earth and the Sun. When
people are thinking extremely fearful thoughts on a large level, it does
interfere with such natural communication between these great powerful
beings. And so, as a result, to reestablish this, the Sun may at times
need to forcefully create the sunspot activity which creates various flares,
magnetic storms, various ways of bursting through such blockages, and bring
new energies to bear. It is not as if the negative energies of people have
sufficient capacity on their own to create such storms. It is rather that
their influence is an important factor, and why indeed there can be recognized
as correlations between sunspot activity and various human activities.
Does this answer the question?
Jill: Okay. What are some of the misconceptions surrounding the nature
kingdom or nature spirits in regard to competition versus cooperation?
Hilarion: Evolution is seen over and over from the purely Darwinian
perspective of survival of the fittest, but really in its essence it has
to do with consciousness, the shared consciousness of all beings manifesting
as a collective, as beings to work out issues, as to understand each other,
for the specific avenue of loving each other, learning about each other,
living together in ways in which that harmonious living gives way then
to deeper and deeper ways of communication, understanding, and ultimately
evolution.
This is happening at the soul level for many beings on your planet,
but clearly the leaders of this on your Earth are the humans. They are
the ones that are also in the place of misconception about the wholeness,
about how their actions are indeed interfering on so many levels with the
communication between plants and animals, with the consequent death of
various species, with the destruction, pollution, and other aspects happening
on your planet. Yet here again it is by the misconception that eventually
these things will right themselves because of competition, because of survival
of the fittest. It is really not correct, because a very powerful motivating
factor here is the consciousness itself, the consciousness of the whole.
That, to a large extent, many human beings deny, are not willing to accept
and work with on a conscious powerful level.
It is true that this is the basis of many native, aboriginal, Native
American and other philosophies that are discovered in your world when
you look into past history. But it is with the dawn and the spreading of
Western civilization and other aspects all over your planet that deny these
components that this difficulty has emerged.
At its core, however, reacquainting yourself with the Devic orders,
being a part of nature and feeling their energy, can take you beyond the
dichotomy of cooperation/competition to the level of wholeness that requires
both. After all, if an experiment is to be engaged in in which the
answer is not known ahead of time which will survive better, it only makes
sense to bring in different avenues and let them compete to find of the
ways in which these work. But they are not born out of the idea of separateness
winning. They are born out of the idea of the most effective at the beginning
being that which will be shared with all. And that is the real purpose
of competition, that as those aspects are learned, that evolution is taken,
then that is shared with all beings, that all grow as a result.
Understanding that larger principle--from wholeness it begins, into
potential separation, then back to wholeness--you understand the way in
which all of these things operate and see it for its larger perspective.
All of the nature spirits, all of the Devic orders, know this. They feel
it. They recognize the joy in the competitive spirit of the competition
in nature as a dance, as an aspect you could say of beauty, of enjoyment
of the sport of it. But never with the intent of it being any more than
that--only just a game.
So then you have so many parallels to this in your world, of the way
in which aboriginal cultures, Native American cultures, and others, cannot
understand the competitive spirit of professional sports, for instance,
that requires that there be a winner and a loser, and that the loser suffers
the agony of defeat, and the winner the thrill of victory, and this is
not to be shared on some level.
So ultimately the misconception is only around essence, and each Deva,
each being knows this essence so well that as you learn them, as you're
with them, as you are engaging with them in a meditative place in nature,
that is one of the important energies they will share with you. And where
your life has had competition, where you have struggled in order to achieve
at the expense of someone else, you will be disturbed by this energy. It
will seem at times at its core to you that which is uncomfortable or difficult
because it relates to how you are seeing and judging yourself. You must
forgive yourself under such a circumstance, and then you will be able to
see more clearly into the nature kingdoms, to be with these beings and
understand them for what they are, not for what you would want them to
be or imagine them. Does this answer the question?
Jill: Okay. In The Work of Byron Katie, we look at our own personal
responsibility and individual empowerment. Is there an essence of relationship,
or is relationship merely the story of each individual?
Hilarion: Relationship is really all there is once you begin to understand
this pattern that shows up over and over. After all, without relationship,
there is simply oneness. Oneness in and of itself has nothing to relate
to. Oneness has nothing to become, nothing to change into, nothing to learn.
When oneness is able to create multiples of itself, and this is mirrored
by the fractality of the universe into all the multiple relationships and
all the beings--the plants, the animals, the aspects of that which is inanimate
and animate matter, various aspects of relationships between people, on
and on it goes--you could say that oneness went a little too far. But understanding
this issue is to recognize that at its core, from these relationships,
there is a learning, there is an enjoyment, there is a greater whole that
comes from it.
It is quite correct to recognize, however, that it is in the stories
about these relationships, the drawing of conclusions around this,
that one has so often gone astray, come to a place of absolute rules
about this or that, or even underlying assumptions as to this should be
or that should be, as if to say that the story is in itself more important
than the interrelatedness of all of the beings and all that they have to
share. The story is important. It is a means by which the message
is conveyed. It is a means by which the understanding is shared. But after
the sharing has taken place, it is time to let go of the story, to find
a new one, and to in this way greater understand the interrelationship
itself.
Always however, there will be a path back to oneness, and in that oneness
what has been gained from the separation will be shared without
the story. This is difficult to speak of, of course, because speaking is
a story. But you understand it in your heart as the feeling of union in
the moment of orgasm, in the moment of connectedness, in the moment of
exaltation, in the moment of Aha. All of these and other important experiences
are beyond story. Yes a story got you there, but how often have you noticed
that when you use the same story, you don't get there again?
And that is always a reminder that it is not about the story, but rather
in the interrelatedness itself that you find what you are looking for.
Does this answer your question?
Jill: Yes. Why is Harry Potter capturing the imagination of young and
old at the massive clip it is? What is underneath these wonderful stories?
Hilarion: It is obvious when you understand so much of what is happening
in your world appears to be governed by these rules: of science, of law,
of economics, of so many things that are overt and understandable. Yet
the whole idea of the hidden reality coexisting alongside that of the overt
reality, that of the underlying energies, are romantic and wonderful notions.
And they are present. It is as if the ancient notions of the Atlantean
sciences, the Day science and the Night science, are personified in this
way, because as you reveal and understand, of course Harry Potter's world,
the magical world, has its own rules, its own regulations. They are very
different, but still they are there.
It is in the imaginative capacity to recognize the blending of these
two worlds that such an important reminder of the ancient Atlantean ideals
and understanding comes forth. And a reminder that many possibilities that
have been overlooked are available, that the magical understanding within
one's own consciousness is an awakening of the child within you, of seeing
things in a whole new light, of seeing ways in which you had never
conceived of how something could occur, that it can occur quite easily
and in such a matter of fact and easy way, once you have recognized that
magic is afoot.
Understanding this is a powerful energy, because science in itself seeks
to explain and understand, but need not take out the awesomeness, the revelation,
the wonder, but rather can allow individuals to discover it if they look
deeper, if they use the scientific world as a springboard for deeper understanding.
In the meantime, though, cultivating an attitude that invites miracles,
invites magic, invites a shift, this is a beautiful and wonderful thing.
So it isn't just that in Rowling's work is an inspiration for your own
identification, your own magical creativity, your own imagination. It is
also an avenue for your guides and helpers. So when you read it, they gather
around you, and they touch you gently, and they feed you energy, and they
say to you "Yes, there are more things in life than you thought possible
if you will but open to them." In this way it is a symbolic bridge to the
guide energies, to the energies of seeing things in a new light, in a new
way. Does this answer your question?
Jill: Yes. Would it be possible to hear more on the subject of love
from Athena?
[Pause]
Athena: You have asked again to explore and look into that which is
the motivating factor in your nature. The love in your heart, the love
in your energy, the love in your body is but a tiny reflection of another
energy. Love has been described at times as the glue which connects so
many things together, and that it is. Yet what is it that you are connected
to by an energy of this nature? The answer is unfathomable in human
terms. It is beyond that which you have acknowledgement of in your day-to-day
life. It is why you are attracted to relationship as if there is a hope
that by opening trustingly, lovingly, somehow willingly, more of the nature
of that energy will be known. We are not using the word lovingly here in
a redundant context. It is the energy itself that as you open to, you receive
more of. Why? Because love itself wants to be. This is hard to understand,
that love would have an intrinsic intelligence, an awareness or an energy.
In a sense it does, however, because it always is there, showing you the
interconnectedness, the awareness of how you are connected to so many.
Yet knowing this, seeing it, understanding it is useless. It means nothing.
It is in your heart's willingness to play that the answer comes, that when
you are able to feel the energy, to touch it in your heart, to feel it
as if bubbling up through your body, to feel it moving somehow beyond your
skin, beyond your bones, in that light between you and another, a willingness
to feel that energy. The best way to answer a question about love is not
by words, or even by sounds, but by opening to the love itself. By trickery,
by playfulness, by allowing. So for a moment, focus your attention on someone
that you love. Pour your energy into that person and feel that change.
Then let that energy come back to you. Does it have a sound? Does it have
a characteristic, a taste, a feeling?
When your guides feel that love with you, sometimes they make
sounds. They are not the same sort of sounds that you hear, such as the
moans of pleasure or "Ahhh," but they are the universal sounds, the sounds
of the spheres, the sounds of the stars. Sometimes they sounds like wwhhhhhhhhhhh.
And sometimes like [howling]. Yet what these are sounds of are the movements
of love through the cosmos, through the planets, through the comets, through
the Earth. You have this capacity too, because as you touch the love in
others, as you feel it and awaken it in yourself, so also do you see and
feel and know the love that the worlds, the universe, is there to nourish
in you.
This is a much more cosmic answer to the question about love in a practical
way between two people, but it is why you return to it. So if you can remember
to open to this, it will make it that much more pleasurable, that much
more repeatable, that much more trustable and knowable.
[Pause]
Hilarion: Yes. Hilarion here again. We thank you, Athena, for your words,
sounds, and assistance with the vehicle and with making the idea of this
a little more tangible. There is perhaps enough energy for another but
it is going to be necessary to wind it down pretty soon.
Jill: Can you briefly comment on Chiron?
Hilarion: No. Chiron is a complex asteroid. It has many symbols. But
in brief, it must be perceived that with the discovery of Uranus, the whole
idea of surprise, new energies, and other aspects was uncovered in a more
conscious way. Yet the idea at a spiritual level of such sudden change,
awakening, enlightenment, this more clearly characterizes Chiron.
There are many ways in which it can be understood, of course. Such an
energy as it moves into form and an individual is able to misuse it or
misunderstand it or be tortured by it or changed by it. But always it is
to be perceived at its core as a clearly spiritual energy, an energy that
encourages a being to cut to their core, to understand the nature of who
they are, and reveal this, work with it somehow or have great difficulty
in resisting it. This is in a sense combining some of the aspects of both
Uranus and Pluto in the way in which Chiron works. But it always must be
seen that it is about this spiritual essence, and the way in which this
manifests for the individual. We hope this is of some value, though brief.
Jill: Thank you. We've come to the end of our questions, so you can
give us a closing.
Hilarion: We are grateful to the idea of questions and answers, and
the way in which you are encouraged over and over to ask deeper and deeper
questions at the level by which you will eventually let go of the whole
idea of questions and answers Finding that indeed they are one within your
being enables you at times to understand better than formulating them as
separate. Yet going beyond that, we take you to the oneness now, reminding
you of the clear light--a beautiful emerald light--to be welcomed, to be
breathed. But also to have a kinesthetic quality, a brushing, warming,
vibrating sensation. Inhale the light. Let it move through you, then let
it go easily, lovingly, down to Mother Earth. See that she responds, an
energy bubbling up from her into your body. And then we ask you to share
this as an energy, as a sound, as a gentle OM out loud. Good bye.
