Posted by Kyo on April 29, 2007 at 12:31:36:
Due to many recent posts and threads on the Afterlife Knowledge Forum recently, on the topic of "Channeling", "Enlightenment", etc; I made the following post on the Afterlife Knowledge Forum here :
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1177828430
First off, I'm making this post (as a new 'thread'), rather than posting separately on 3 existing threads, because all of what I wish to say is closely interrelated, and difficult to post separately.
Secondly, please note that everything of what I say (here or anywhere else), is strictly my own views only (ie. it's not 'truth', or rather, there's no such thing as 'absolute truth' anyway), and it is not expected, intended or even desired (honestly), that you (any person reading this) agree any of such is 'correct' or 'truth'.
If you agree with it (any of this), it is your own truth within yourself that you're agreeing with, and not mine (only that our perspectives may be similar). If you disagree, it means (imho) it's not true for you, then please kindly disregard it. Don't feel obliged to say, "that's wrong"; or if so, say it more accurately, "that's wrong for myself".
Finally, because my intentions are only to share my perspective for (only) those interested in hearing, and not to convince nor convert; I will hence choose not to engage in any debate or argument of any sort. And therefore (I'll) not reply any posts of such nature.
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Perfection
Someone mentioned, "we're all imperfect". I'd say, "we're all perfect." If you look at the concept of 'perfection', you'd quickly realize (of course, depending on the context or concept) it does not really exist. (eg. the 'perfect biologist' or 'perfect chemist' would be very different in different people's minds.) Since therefore 'perfection' is but an illusionary concept, to say "we're imperfect" is exactly as useful/useless/nonsensical as "we're perfect".
But if one is willing to take the concept of 'perfection' to a spiritual level, then it's easy to see 'perfection' in a different light, used to mean something quite different. Not perfection in a technical sense (such does not exist), but perfection in the sense of 'worthiness of love'.
For someone whom you love truly, totally and unconditionally - it is an honest matter to see that she/he *is* pefect? Not a perfect martial artist or chemist or bodybuilder, but she/he/they are perfect for whom they are. Not whom you might want them to be.
Your loved one is perfect (in all ways of Lovability and Love, the only application of perfection that truly matters), because she/he is. It's only up to your willingness to recognize this. And whom is the truth of all your loved ones, but God Her/HimSelf? And therefore, the truth of All Beings, is Perfection.
How does this apply to, say, the militants and the aggressors in any situation, eg. the current war torn situation in the middle east? Remember that 'perfection' in the technical sense does not exist, so it's a moot and nonsensical point to say, "they are imperfect". They are perfectly worthy of Love (by the very nature of Love!), but of course they are also evolving, struggling, learning.
Which brings me to two other points, Karma and Evolution. And also a third, Channeling.
On the issue of channeling, someone mentioned that he takes issue with people who foolishly regard all channeled material as of the 'ultimate truth'. Firstly, such 'foolishness' could also apply equally to those devoted to dogma, whether in science, in religion, or in hollywood notions.
But the truth (since there is no 'absolute truth', Id say this is the 'relative leading edge truth' in my opinion only, it need not be yours) is simply that channeling, is but a means for an extraphysical being (or a group, as is often the case for channeled sources) to have a voice in the physical world, to communicate to the physicals.
Whyfore then, 'should' an extraphysical being be an 'ultimate authority' on any subject he/it speaks on? It's amusing. You see, any of the entities channeled that you know of (we need not name names, but they are many such entities (or groups of) being channeled on Earth by many channelers), they are (in essence) no different from you and me. They are (unique expressions of) God, just as we are.
If 'E' or 'S' (eg. two hypothetical entities) spoke in their channelings of teachings that are indentical, then we would not need two entities, now would we? So of course, rightfully, their teachings and their ideas must be different. (In fact, there's a common-sense guiding principle on the other side, that discourages entities from wasting unnecessary energy for one entity to repeat the teachings of another entity, just as a chemist from USA would save time/money by referring to, rather than duplicating the work of, another chemist from say, Japan, on the same research.)
So, it's a good (natural, and beneficial) thing, that different entities being channeled speak of different ideas, because each of these entities (or groups of), being unique beings with unique pathways of experience and evolution, share unique viewpoints from their own unqiue experiences and patterns. If their ideas appear to be 'contradictory', that is good. Because it means that, just as they are always two (or as is often the case, more than!) sides to any coin or subject, they are always alternative viewpoints on any issue, eg. on reincarnation, or purpose of earth plane, etc.
The topic of entities channeled brings us to the topic of Evolution - you see, ANY of the entities that are being channeled (you can easily think of several dozen), and ANY of the great Beings or Teachers that are at the root of ANY of the world religions (or for that matter, the religions on all other planets in the universe) - they are exactly like you and me, in that they are ALL themselves evolving (naturally! of course! that's the beauty of Evolution - it's endless!). The Guides & Helpers, have their own Guides & Helpers, AD INFINITUM.
Of course, many of such beings (behind many religions and/or channelings), would have attained a level of evolution that would be, for most purposes and intents, considered vastly above the typical or average human being (or to be precise, the spirit/soul being incarnated as a biological human). However, because (by very intended designed nature of Creation and God) every being's experience and evolutionary pathway is unique, one cannot truly compared the evolution of one being against another - that would be moot and unhelpful. But one can indeed rightfully say (if one has the willingness to see this), that ALL beings are equally perfect, ie. perfectly lovable, perfectly worthy of Love (the only sense of perfection that makes sense).
So, if one recognizes value (eg. you 'resonate' with a particular channeled entity's teachings) in a certain entity, it is no different from recognizing value in an physically incarnated being who is a great teacher in her/his own right, eg. Byron Katie, Aajonus Vonderplanitz, etc. We do not respect a particular channeling or school of thought because the being channeled is extraphysical (that would be... nonsensical?), but because we recognize that the entity being channeled has valuable or beneficial ideas to be shared, and often, that the entity is of a level of evolution that has a vantage point that offers an advantage of perspective over human issues (of all kinds, political, scientific, medical, psychological, spiritual, etc).
But again recall that it is a good thing, that different entities channeled over unqiue (some might see as 'contradictory') ideas and perspectives on a particular topic. You get to CHOOSE - does either or any of the entities' being channeled, do their ideas agree with you? enlighten you? benefit you? help you find your own truth, your own path, your own way?
The myth of everyone being classified as 'unenlightened' or 'enlightened', is not a particularly helpful one. As we have said previously, 'enlightenment' is the (NEVER ENDING) process of 'adding more light to onself', ie. to learn, to grow, to evolve. There is not such thing as 'acting enlightened' or 'acting unenlightend'. Everyone here, and every entity, and every religious Teacher you can think of, all all in their own (never ending) process of enlightenment, whilst simultaneously being connected (not only at the highest essential God level, but with their willingness and loving choice, also connected to humanity (and all beings who wish it) energetically, karmically, evolutiologically, in Love, and in their willing communication (by religious texts, authored helpful books, channelings, even postings on forums, directly as an intraphysical or indirectly via an intraphysical) and willing interaction with all of you, with humanity.
Karma. Someone (several?) suggested or are of the opinion that "J" who channels "S" (hypothetical persons), both of these beings might be engaging in karmically negative work. That is not up for me/us/anyone to comment, but we can add this - The purpose of Karma, is NOT punishment. The purpose of Karma is learning, evolution, (towards greater and greater) Love.
The nature of the karma engendered by an entity being channeled (whether a genuinely highly evolved being, or entities that are 'intruders' or 'false guides' who assume the name of other, more evolved beings, in apparent deception) and of the channeler, does largely depend on their intention. Many of such channelers-&-entities-channeled, might be of a considerably level of evolution (say, anywhere from the evolutionary level of the average human being to that of the Serenissimus or even beyond), might have positive, beneficial (or at least from their perspective) intentions, even if their ideas might seem to contradict the teachings of other channels and thereby cause confusion or distress. But such confusion wasn't their intention, and therefore, largely not their karma.
As regards to historical accuracy, eg. biblical accuracy or past life detail accuracy, note that the entities that are channeled, speak from their own unique understanding, perspective or viewpoint, of how things were, what's important and what's not (from their viewpoint, which motivates them to speak thusly). Names from past lives, historical events related in the Bible, etc. The way people, whether intraphysical like historians or scientists (it is common for them to disgaree with each other on many things), or extraphysical beings, guides & helpers; view such historical or past life events, is a complex process (indeed different entities/historians use different mechanisms for this). No being, intraphysical or extraphysical, can only see one 'objective' thing or event.
3 people (not necessarily blind men) view an object. From their unique interests, viewpoints and understanding, the 3 people would describe the object very differently. Similarly for past life events or historical events.
We would say that accuracy in these matters (there is not such thing as 'objectivity', but there is such thing as a common-shared-experience on the dense physical plane (indeed that's one of the very PURPOSES of incarnation!), but even such, may be interpreted and viewed differently) is not as important, as the intention of the entity being channeled (does he/she/it/they clearly wish to assist, and do their advice prove beneficial? or aids in one's own SELF-learning, growth and evolution?), as well therefore, as the end result (which is largely dependent on not whose or what channeling you hear, BUT WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO DO WITH IT, learn from (your understanding of) it, etc.
You see, ALL learning, growth and evolution, is SELF-RESPONSIBLE. They can assist, just as you would wish to assist others, but eventually, the responsibility lies in SELF. This is not 'selfishness' or 'self-absorbness', but from our understanding, this is SELF-RESPONSIBILITY, respecting (and honoring, joyfully celebrating!) the unique viewpoints of others, not imposing one's ideas on others, etc.
I (Kyo) need to go now, busy with 'rl work'. I might not reply to any replies (if any) on this thread, as mentioned earlier. But I felt it would be the responsible thing to do, to offer/share my perspective, as a possible alternative perspective on these topics discussed, for (only!) those who might be interested.
Take care, with Love for all of you.
Kyo